It wasn’t even necessary to have an embassy in Athens during June to know that preparations were being made for a referendum. Anybody who read the Greek press would have known about the parliamentary business paving the way for it. – Edward S.
[Fwd: [kleinverzet] Re: Klein Verzet: Applauding wildly]
Malcolm
Klein Verzet is an English language Dutch blog which is well worth
following. This is a comment of mine. You might like to link to the
article which prompted it. The Greek business is being very carefully
stage managed.
Regards
Edward
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PS It wasn’t even necessary to have an embassy in Athens during June to
know that preparations were being made for a referendum. Anybody who
read the Greek press would have known about the parliamentary business
paving the way for it.
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DISQUS Edward (unregistered) wrote: MFS, The replacement of the military chiefs has been reported very briefly. According to other reports the EUROPEAN GENDARMERIE has been "on exercise" in Greece since October. The likelihood of a Greek referendum will have been known since June to every state and organisation with diplomatic representation in Athens. So I think the "shock, horror, surprise" by EU leaders is pure play acting. With the experience of the Irish referendum campaign on the Lisbon treaty behind them, the incredibly well-funded EU propaganda machine will have been making its preparations since June. In Ireland they did intensive market research on the reasons why different groups had voted "no" in the first Lisbon referendum and produced superficially convincing counter arguments which were put across in overwhelming quantity. The disparity in funding between the yes and no sides was enormous. Additionally they warned the people that it would be economic suicide to vote no. As Dr. Anthony Coughlan of the Irish National Platform , the result was a triumph "for the fear of the people, not the will of the people". Recent reports show Greek public opinion approximately 60% opposed to the austerity measures but nearly 80% in favour of remaining in the euro. So I think we can guess how the question may be framed. There will be a lesson here for British and other pro-referendum campaigners about the effectiveness of EU propaganda methods. Then the Greeks may also have the thought in their minds "If we give the wrong answer, we'll only be made to vote again - just like the Irish". Link to comment -----
Daniel Hannan: I wish I could convey the sheer writhing horror that George Papanderou’s referendum proposal has provoked in Brussels. The Slog has a whiff of e German conspiracy. Autonomous Mind thinks: This could be the start of a turning point in European history. EURef has more links and updates.
An me? I am echoing the sentiment expressed by Der Spiegel (p. above): I am wildly applauding the Greeks for their audacity.
[UPDATE001] The Slog has dug a little into the Greek referendum issue and turned up some interesting details: Revealed – How Papandreou Planned It Well In Advance.
Three weeks ago, I was picking up strong hints from well-placed Paris sources about rogue French diplomatic lines having been laid with Athens. But that move, if it was real, has seriously backfired in some way or another; perhaps the Greeks saw through the French self-interest. Their country is, after all, being sacrificed to the eurobanks’ survival. (…) It’s possible that, last summer, the Greek Prime Minister decided he had eaten enough sh*t for one lifetime, and made a principled decision to stuff the banking community.
Illuminati Bankers Pull Out All The Stops to Prevent Greek Referendum – Steve B.
The Greek prime minister was today preparing to resign after growing opposition within his own party to his shock call for a referendum on the Euro bailout. George Papandreou faces a no confidence vote tomorrow which he is expected to lose. But as his own finance minister, Lucas Papedemos, broke ranks to say he was against a referendum, the PM called an emergency cabinet meeting for today. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055872/Greece-referendum-George-Papandreou-prepares-Angela-Merkel-Nicolas-Sarkozy.html#ixzz1ceT4vlll
Lucas Papedemos: Ex Federal Reserve bank of Boston, Ex Governor of the Greek Central Bank, Ex Vice President of the European Central Bank and Trilateral Commission member
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Papademos
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By James Chapman and Graham Smith
Last updated at 2:26 PM on 3rd November 2011
The Greek prime minister was today preparing to resign after growing opposition within his own party to his shock call for a referendum on the Euro bailout.
George Papandreou faces a no confidence vote tomorrow which he is expected to lose.
But as his own finance minister broke ranks to say he was against a referendum, the PM called an emergency cabinet meeting for today.
State television says he will meet the country’s president Karolos Papoulias immediately after the session. The BBC’s Athens correspondent Mark Lowen says he is expected to propose a coalition government and step aside as leader.
It is understood this would be headed by the former vice-president of the European Central Bank Lucas Papademos.
Under pressure: Greece’s Prime Minister George Papandreou (centre, in rear of the car) leaves the G20 summit after a stormy session with world leaders

Spotlight: George Papandreou’s face shows the strain as he spoke after crisis talks in Cannes last night. His finance minister Evangelos Venizelos (right) today broke ranks with the Greek PM over the referendum
Their eyes meet across a table: French President Nicolas Sarkozy (second left) and Papandreou (right) share an uncomfortable glare as German Chancellor Angela Merkel diverts her attention elsewhere
KEY PLAYERS IN THE GREEK DRAMA
- Prime Minister George Papandreou, leader of Panhellenic Socialist Movement (Pasok). Voted into power in October 2009 when his party defeated the Right-conservative New Democracy party.
- Finance minister Evangelos Venizelos. Once challenged Papandreou for the Pasok leadership, says he did not know of the PM’s plan to call for a referendum.
- Leader of the Opposition Antonis Samaras, current president of the New Democracy party, who took over after the last election. Widely politically discredited in Greece but now helped by the fact hat a coalition may be Greece’s best hope.
- Lucas Papademos, the former vice president of the European Central Bank. He is a well-respected figure in Greece and is expected to head up any coalition government
Mr Papandreou position became increasingly untenable this morning after it emerged a ‘small group’ of MPs from his party Pasok were about to propose a coalition government. They had spent the last few hours trying to convince him to go.
Ten MPs have already publicly called for a new coalition while 15, including five ministers and deputy ministers have knocked down the referendum call.
One called the situation ‘a madhouse’.
The Greek premier was savaged by German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy at a meeting in Cannes last night.
He was threatened with enforced bankruptcy unless his country signed up to austerity measures.
Europe’s leaders also told him any referendum had to be on Greece remaining in the Eurozone, not a yes or no vote on cuts.
Today, the Greek finance minister Evangelos Venizelos issued a written statement on returning from Cannes where he accompanied Mr Papandreou for talks with top European officials.
Mr Venizelos said Greece’s position within the euro ‘cannot depend on a referendum’. Following his move, the deputy finance minister, the health minister and the development minister also spoke out against holding a referendum.
As the eurozone reeled from yesterday’s shock announcement, Germany and France said they would cut off Greece’s bailout cash until its people voted in favour.
And, in another development, China today said it refuses to invest in the European Financial Stability Fund until the situation has been resolved.
Talking shop: David Cameron greets French president Nicolas Sarkozy as the G20 summit gets underway in Cannes, France


Working lunch: Barack Obama greets Australian prime minister Julia Gillard (left) as world leaders including the French president (right) discuss the economic crisis
Talks: David Cameron shakes hands with India’s Prime Minister Manmohan SinghGlobal stock markets initially fell sharply this morning. The FTSE 100 Index opened 1.2 per cent down, but rallied to climb by 1.13 per cent after lunch. The DOW Jones also rose 1.53 per cent over hopes of an agreement.
David Cameron last night warned of a ‘global storm’ threatening to drag down Britain’s economy.
Sources said the latest payment of almost £7billion from the EU and International Monetary Fund, due to be made soon to Athens, would be placed on hold until after a referendum.
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- RIGHTMINDS: The derision over the Greeks’ desire for a referendum betrays the EU’s loathing of ordinary people, writes DOMINIC SANDBROOK
- Festering anger, Nazi war crimes and the £60bn the Greeks believe the Germans owe them
- RIGHTMINDS: Corrupt nation holding a gun to the EU’s head, says MATTHEW LYNN
- RIGHTMINDS: Greeks should reject the EU bailout and resign from the eurozone
- RIGHTMINDS: The Greek rebellion against the demands of Brussels is good news for democracy
- RIGHTMINDS: Raise a glass of ouzo to Papandreou, cut down by Europe’s bully boys for daring to give his people a vote on Europe
The EU is attempting to bully Greece into holding a popular vote on the country’s future membership of the EU and eurozone, rather than a more narrow question relating to deeply unpopular austerity measures.
And Germany is insisting there is no possibility of renegotiating the rescue deal struck at a Brussels summit last week.
It would see half of Greece’s towering debts written off but the stricken country faces a decade of tax rises and spending cuts.
Crunch time: Mr Obama towers over his French counterpart ahead of the start of the G20 summit in Paris


Holding on: The two leaders greet each other at their lecterns and, right, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi arrives for the crucial summit
Meeting the public: U.S. President Barack Obama shakes hands with local residents under the watchful eye of Mr Sarkozy as they arrive at the G20 conference in Cannes this morning
Chinese President Hu Jintao (centre) arrives to attend a meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit today
Down to business: Mr Sarkozy (centre left) and Mr Obama (right) hold a bilateral meeting ahead of the summit
From left to right: Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, Chinese President Hu Jintao, Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and South African President Jacob Zuma attend a meetingNEWSPAPER CALLS FOR GERMANY TO HOLD ITS OWN REFERENDUM
Germany’s mass circulation Bild newspaper has today also called for a referendum – whether the country should continue to help the Greece.
In a commentary, which appears on its website, and which begins ‘Not another cent’ it argues it is a safe bet the Greeks will vote against any plans for austerity in a referendum.
It adds: ‘One can understand that. But it is unacceptable. It is not the German finance minister who is vouching for Greece but the German taxpayer.’
It ends: ‘And if the majority reject the austerity programme, then Greece no longer deserves the euro!’
The paper even mocks up a voting slip which has ‘YES, keep throwing more dosh at them’ and ‘NO, not another cent for the broke Greeks, take the euro away from them!’
A Greek government spokesman insisted last night that the referendum, expected to take place next month if the government survives that long, will ask voters about the bailout, not euro membership.
The threat to cut off the emergency funding risks inflaming public opinion in the country, which is already seeing a sharp rise in anti-German sentiment.
But an IMF source confirmed Athens was unlikely to get any more cash until after the referendum, adding: ‘The board will want comfort that Greece will fulfil its commitments and right now Papandreou is unable to give that.’
An EU source added: ‘The sooner Greece holds the referendum, the sooner the sixth tranche will be paid. But right now, it isn’t going to be paid. Not only are [Greece] putting at risk their country, which I think is incredible, but they are putting at risk the euro area stability, and this is too much.’
Without the sixth tranche of funding, due to be paid in the middle of this month, Athens only has enough cash to keep afloat for a few more weeks.
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